Episode 035: Called. Capable. Completely Unaware of Both with Joshua Lee

Episode Summary
Joshua Lee grew up in Delta Junction, Alaska, a town of a couple hundred people north of Fairbanks where winter hits negative fifty degrees and his Korean immigrant parents were navigating physical disabilities, financial hardship, and the kind of survival-mode existence that most people only read about. His dad moved there as a thirteen year old who did not speak English. His mom has polio. His dad has a spinal condition. Something happened financially in the nineties and the family never quite recovered. Josh grew up watching people look down on his family. He grew up grateful for what little there was. He grew up learning how to get what he needed in creative ways. He did not grow up knowing he was being forged.

Fast forward to his mid-twenties, working as a product manager at a payments tech startup in Redmond, Washington, the kind of company that eventually exits for close to nine hundred billion, and Josh is sitting there knowing something is deeply off. Not because the job is bad. Because every step forward in that career is a step away from who he actually is. He resigned without enough communication with his wife. It was not the right move. It was still the necessary one. What followed was years of private label brands, e-commerce, GE, SaaS, venture capital, consumer products, and eventually the founding of First Light Studios, an Amazon management agency that has personally overseen fifty-seven million dollars in sales for VC-backed startups and household names you have seen on shelves at Walgreens and REI.

But the most honest thing Joshua Lee wrote on his intake form was not about any of that. Karl asked what challenges him most when life gets heavy. He left most answers blank. In one box he wrote two words. Leadership weight. This episode is the unpacking of those two words across a marriage under strain, a business building in real time, a faith being tested, and a man in his thirties finally identifying the lies about himself that had been quietly running the show since childhood.
This episode is for anyone who has been chasing the right metrics on the wrong path and has not yet had the courage to name it.

In This Episode, You'll Discover:
  1. What it was like to grow up in Delta Junction Alaska with two physically disabled Korean immigrant parents navigating financial collapse in the nineties, and how that childhood produced both deep gratitude and entrepreneurial instincts Josh is still unpacking today
  2. Why Josh resigned from a product manager role at a payments startup on a path to a nine hundred billion dollar exit and what he left blank on every intake question except two words: leadership weight
  3. The specific story behind leadership weight, a marriage under pressure at the eight to nine year mark, young kids, not enough time to connect, and a conversation with a stranger who told him he just had to do it and what it took Josh two years to fully understand
  4. Why the entrepreneurial journey is lonely in a way nobody warns you about, how Josh lost his groundedness when the wins finally came, and what it costs you relationally when your peers can no longer keep up with how you are thinking
  5. What happens when you take your vision to the wrong people, why friends and family cannot validate what God placed specifically in you, and how Josh reframed feedback-seeking from a survival instinct to a precision tool
  6. The lies Josh has been identifying from his childhood that were quietly blocking him from becoming the father, husband, and leader he is supposed to be, and the prayer he does with a friend to ask God to reveal the specific lie and break it off
  7. How Josh delineates between the voice of God and the voice of the enemy, the familiarity principle, and John ten ten as the filter for any thought that produces fear, shame, guilt, or confusion
  8. What the leadership muscle actually is, how it is built through reps not talent, and why sweaty palms and a pounding heart are confirmation you are on the right path and not a signal to retreat
Key Takeaways:
  1. Your Childhood Does Not Define You. But It Does Form You. Josh is careful about both halves of this. The hardship, the poverty, the disabled parents, the financial collapse, none of that is his ceiling. But he is still actively unraveling how it shaped his beliefs about himself. That unraveling is not weakness. It is the work.
  2. The Wrong Path Gets Clearer the Further You Go Down It. Josh was not miserable at that payments startup. He was progressing. But every step forward felt like a step away from what he was actually built for. That sensation is information. Most people dismiss it because the metrics look fine. Josh resigned. The marriage conversation did not go well. It was still the right call.
  3. Do Not Take Your Vision to People Who Cannot See It. God placed it in you specifically. Not in your neighbor, not in your parents, not in your friends. They are looking through the lens of who you were, not who you are becoming. Get feedback from people who genuinely know your passions and your capacity. Everyone else is offering an opinion about something that was never theirs to evaluate.
  4. Leadership Weight Is a Muscle. Not a Gift. Josh two years ago was falling apart under it. Josh today analyzes setbacks, controls what he can control, discards the negative feelings that are not useful, and keeps moving. That is not personality. It is training. Every rep counts. Every hard decision that does not destroy you is adding to a capacity that did not exist before.
  5. Identify the Lie First. Then Work the Skills. You can learn every leadership tactic there is, but if there is a core lie running underneath about your worthiness, your capability, or your right to succeed, the tactics will have a ceiling. Find the lie. Name it. Break it off. Then build on clear ground.
  6. Do Not Fear Is the Most Repeated Phrase in the Bible for a Reason. We are skittish. We are fickle. The heart is unreliable as a navigation instrument. That is not a character flaw. It is why training the mind, building daily disciplines, and separating emotion from action matters as much as it does. Show up especially on the days you do not feel like it. That is exactly where the championship is made.
  7. The Enemy Never Speaks in a Voice You Would Recognize as Evil. It speaks in your voice. That is what makes it dangerous. The thoughts that tell you that you will never make it, that nobody wants to hear your story, that you are not qualified, those are not neutral. They are active. Learn to identify them, cut them off at the source, and replace them with what is actually true.
  8. You Are Called. You Are Capable. The Plan Is Yours Alone. Nobody else is going to champion this for you. Nobody else is going to see it the way you see it. That is not a problem. That is the design. Show up fully committed, even if it is lonely, even if you lose friends, even if it is hard. The path that only you can walk was built exactly that way on purpose.
Timestamps:
  • [00:00] Karl introduces Joshua Lee: Alaskan kid, Korean immigrant family, First Light Studios founder, fifty-seven million in Amazon sales managed, man of faith, father of two
  • [03:00] Delta Junction Alaska, negative fifty degrees, Korean immigrant parents, physical disabilities, financial collapse in the nineties, and the gratitude that came from having almost nothing
  • [07:00] Fast forward to the W2 career: good titles, good companies, and the growing certainty that every step forward was a step in the wrong direction
  • [11:00] Resigning from the payments startup without enough communication with his wife, why it was still the necessary move, and what the first private label brand in 2017 actually looked like
  • [15:00] The loneliness of the entrepreneurial journey and the disorientation that came when the wins finally arrived
  • [19:00] Karl's ad break: The Grit Code Exposed at https://gritcodeexposed.com
  • [20:00] Two words on the intake form: leadership weight. The story behind them, the marriage at the eight to nine year mark, and the stranger who said you just have to do it
  • [26:00] Two years later: what that leadership muscle looks like now versus what it looked like then, and why it is still a skill being built
  • [30:00] Social media as a marketing engine designed to make fear your reality, and every person's unique design and calling that no platform can replicate
  • [34:00] Taking your vision to the wrong people: why family and friends are often the last ones who can see what God placed specifically in you
  • [38:00] The graveyard conversation: Les Brown's most valuable place on the planet and the dreams that go there unused
  • [42:00] Setbacks as confirmation: why friction and falling apart when you are pursuing the right thing is a sign you are on the right path, not the wrong one
  • [46:00] Do not fear: the most repeated phrase in the Bible and what it says about the human condition
  • [50:00] Karl's ad break: The Grit Code Exposed at https://gritcodeexposed.com
  • [51:00] Training the mind: separating emotion from action, building the daily disciplines, and the most important time to show up being exactly when you do not want to
  • [55:00] The lies from childhood: how Josh is identifying the specific untruths he believed about himself and the prayer he does with a friend to break them off
  • [01:00:00] Delineating God's voice from the enemy's: the familiarity principle, John ten ten as the filter, and why the enemy never sounds like what you would expect
  • [01:05:00] The sweaty palms confirmation: why the physical fear response is a sign you are on the cusp of a breakthrough and not a signal to retreat
  • [01:08:00] What Josh is most fired up about now: building the team, partnering with long-term brand leaders, and moving from operator to visionary
  • [01:11:00] The sixty-second message to Josh twenty years ago: you are called, you are capable, the plan is yours alone, come into it even if it is lonely
  • [01:14:00] Grit defined: showing up every day, choosing gratitude and joy, doing the hardest thing first, staying disciplined and undistracted
  • [01:16:00] The directive: Psalm ninety-one, dwelling in the shelter of the Most High, surrendering the performing and letting God take care of the rest
  • [01:18:00] Allie Grack's question from Episode 31: if you could hang out for ten minutes with one historical figure who emulates who you most want to be, who would it be?
  • [01:20:00] Josh's answer: Dietrich Bonhoeffer, the man of faith who tried to take Hitler out, and why that combination of conviction and courage resonates
  • [01:22:00] Josh's question for the next guest: what is stopping you from doing the thing you have always wanted to do?
  • [01:24:00] Where to find Josh and Karl's close
Resources & Links:
  • Free Resource: Amazon launch playbook for new brands, first fifteen days strategy, DM Josh at @onejoshualee on Instagram to receive it
  • Free Resource: Parallel exports and grey market pricing control playbook, DM Josh at @onejoshualee to receive it
  • Challenge: The Grit Code Exposed at https://gritcodeexposed.com
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Karl Jacobi
Host
Karl Jacobi
Host of The Grit Factor Podcast, Resilience & Performance Coach, Founder, Entrepreneur, Combat Veteran
Episode 035: Called. Capable. Completely Unaware of Both with Joshua Lee
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