The Grit Factor Podcast w/ Karl Jacobi

TGFP Ep 41 Audio

00:00:00 Speaker: Average is the enemy of greatness. Comfort is the enemy of growth. Welcome to the Grit Factor podcast, where we strip away the highlight reel and get into the darkness beneath it. The real stories, the real battles, and the battle plans used to conquer them. I'm your host, Carl Jacobi, combat vet, entrepreneur, resilience and performance coach, keynote speaker, husband and father. I've built, scaled, and exited multiple companies totaling over forty million in revenue. But here's what that highlight reel doesn't show you. Life has been smacking me in the face with a two by four since I was just five years old. Broken home. Constant chaos. No playbook. No safety net. Just grit. And if you're anything like me. You know, you've got another level in you, in your business, your career, your faith, your leadership. You're just not sure how to get there. That's exactly why we're here. Be sure to follow me for more great content, and check out my website success with Karl dot com. Now that's Karl with a K. Now let's get to work. All right. Welcome back for another episode. My guest today is as tough as they come. He drove road trains across the Australian outback. He's worked the mines hard. Country the kind of place that teaches you fast that no one is coming to save you. So he learned to grind through anything. And then life handed him the one thing that grit cannot fix divorce when his daughter was just eight months old and a seven year court fight over her. That is still going on to this very day. You could not outwork it. You could not out tough it. The only way through was the opposite of everything the mines had taught him to let it go. I'll be straight with you guys. As I was reading through his profile, I saw a lot of my own story in his. We both have to had to rebuild more than once from nothing. So if you're gripping something right now that you cannot control a fight, a business, a relationship you just cannot say by force, this hour is for you. And here is a part that really gets me. That little girl who was just eight months old when his world came apart, even seven, which is seven now. Today he is proud husband to his wife, Tony, and a proud dad to his daughter. We've been talking about in a in a in a proud father to a baby boy. He's built a business he wish he had had much earlier. And he did not just get through it. He built a life right worth fighting for. On the other side of this, Hayley Nightingale. Welcome to the show, my dude. So good to have you, my man. Awesome. Cal, thanks so much. Great. Great intro. It's, uh, it's definitely been a bit of a bit of a journey and not quite what I thought I was signing up for, but, uh, you know, life, life dishes. Yes, some, some stuff out sometimes. You got that right, man. I, I think, uh, we could just end the episode right there. You know, life, life certainly lives. Life definitely dishes things out and never it never goes the way we want it to or never the way we plan to. Right. Um, certainly understand that for sure. So man, before you're doing what you're doing today, right? Um, you know, before any of the work that you're doing, uh, you're, you're, you know, a guy in a cab, uh, of a road train. Right? Talk us through this. Right. You know, for a lot of us that are listening or watching, you know, they probably don't have any clue what a road train is or what the work is like in mind. So talk us, walk us through those moments, man. What was life like back then? But life was life was pretty, pretty repetitive. Um, I was, was talking to a mate yesterday about it. Who, uh, who was driving with at the same time. But to give you some context around where the road train is the, the longest tracks in the world. Uh, I can only talk in metric tons. I'm not quite sure about Imperial, but there and in meters. So they're about sixty meters long. Um, so one hundred and eighty feet, uh, one hundred and eighty two hundred feet long. Uh, they weigh somewhere between one hundred and seventy and two hundred metric tons running down the road at sixty five mile an hour. Uh, and yeah, so, but bear in mind too is like, this isn't highway with a heap of cars and three or four lanes wide. This is like two lane, two lane road, you know, although we there is times you drive through towns and, you know, there's people with caravan or RVs that are, uh, also driving down the road as well. So you've got a few things to, to dodge while you're there, but it's basically you, your cab, uh, sleep in the back, work in the front. And, uh, that's, that's you for, you know, we were talking yesterday, like most of our shifts were between sort of fourteen and seventeen hours, depending on who was, who was loading in front of you. Uh, when we were doing mine site runs and then doing line haul is basically just a case of, uh, go for as long as you can until, until you need to have a sleep and, uh, shut it down, jump in the back, go for a sleep, and then, um, jump back in and get going again. That's crazy man. Fourteen, seventeen hour days, man. What was that schedule like? Was it like five days a week or how was that routine? Uh, it was like six days a week, sometimes seven, depending on, on what was, uh, what was happening. So, um, yeah, we used to get paid per load. So the, the more load you did, the, uh, the more money you made. But really like two loads a day was about that sort of fourteen to seventeen, depending on what was going on or if you got held up. Um, and then yeah, so that was that. And then in terms of the line haul stuff, it's just, uh, it's just hourly rate. So, um, you know, I've made some bad decisions, bad financial decisions earlier on. So my, my philosophy became if I can keep the wheels turning, yeah, if I can keep the wheels turning, man, well, then I make more money. Um, and so that was the same with like the, the stuff in and out of the mines. It's like, if I can just keep going and make some more money, I, uh, pay the bills and life's good. Yeah for sure man. For sure man. I'm just trying to picture because I know my younger days, I was working that kind of insane schedule, but, um, you know, for you, it seemed like it was a lot more difficult because it wasn't really like you went home or anything. You stayed on that on that train or you stayed on that site for, you know, for a long duration, man. For me, dude, I would go crazy. Yeah. Oh, one hundred percent man. Like we were, we were working like twelve weeks on, uh, like twelve to fourteen weeks on, two weeks off. Wow. Um, was like, uh, the, the schedule for it. And, and as you say, like, it's not great for your social life. It's, you tend to, to, you know, lose the ability to talk to people. Um, because you got nothing to talk about, right? All you, all you do is running up and down the road. Uh, you see the same thing every day. You see the same people drive past you. You're not there for family events. You're not there for weddings. You just just you and your truck doing your doing your thing. So, um, drinking was a, was a big thing there and drinking and not drinking and driving, but like beers after work. And then, uh, you know, then, then back into it the next day was, was pretty much routine. There was, uh, there was, there was no, uh, you know, health or fitness consideration put into it. Wow, man. Yeah. I kind of assumed there wasn't a whole lot of drinking and driving. At least not. You're gonna not what you think you're going to, you know, offer up publicly, right. Um. Man, that's that's that's a brutal lifestyle, man. So how long did that go on for? Um, that was about, I think I got to the point where about three years and that was, that was me. Um, I, the, the thing for me is, is, is I've always taken the job for what I'd learned rather than how much I'd make. Now that one, there was that one. There was a case of how much I'd make. But my, my goal was like, how do I get onto a mine site? Because at the time the. The money there was, you know, nearly as good as what it was running up and down the road. But at least I was like twelve hour days. Uh, all my meals prepared for me. There was a gym on site. Yeah, sure. I was away from from, you know, family and friends for a couple of weeks, but like a week, a day shift, week and night shift, week off. Um, and it was consistent and I got my holidays and if it rained, I got paid as opposed to the other one. We, you know, you get stuck at a river crossing for a week because the river came up over the road and you couldn't get out. Oh, wow. Um, and so yeah, so then, uh, into the mining side of things. And that was like similar sort of stuff twelve hours, six or six. Um, and then yeah, out there in the middle of nowhere. Wow. Man. That's crazy. So were these two, two completely chapters of your lives when you're, you know, driving the, you know, these trains versus working in the mines or were they, you know, uh, altogether this was like twenty. Yeah, twenty four through. or. Yeah. Twenty three. Twenty four through to sort of thirty. Gotcha. What kind of mines were you working in? Uh, there were iron ore. Oh, okay. Gotcha. Yeah. So we'd, uh, we go and pick the iron ore up from. Well, when we were on the road. Anyway, we picked the iron ore up from the site, take it to Port Bender to get stacked into a ship, and then off to, uh, off to China or wherever else it was going for, uh, for processing. Makes sense. Gotcha. Wow. So in this, I understand. So in terms of your personal life or what little personal life you have, were you married at this time or, um, you know, walk us through your personal life. Uh, what point did you meet your, your, then your ex wife and, and, you know, walk us through that timeline of how all this comes to transpire. Yeah. So that was, um, basically my, my twenties were spent in Australia at just the, the latter part of it became more remote than the, than the first part. Um, and so yeah, at the time, single, um, you know, you really couldn't have a relationship, although part of getting out of it was the fact that the guys that I work with, they're all were on marriage, two, three, four, uh, some number five, they'd been in the same place for the last fifteen, you know, twenty, thirty in some cases forty years. Um, and so, but they had nothing to show for it. They'd just been there. They'd, they'd made all the money, they'd had a good time, but there was nothing on the back side of that. So that was the part for me to go write something. If I want to stay like these guys, then I need to stay here. Uh, if I want something different, then I'm going to have to go and do something different. So, uh, when I was. Yeah, it must have been twenty, twenty nine thirty. I moved back to New Zealand, uh, got a job opportunity back over here. Um, all my family was over here. Most of my friends were over here. So I thought, right, getting to thirty, I need to, to find a job that I can be at home every night. So if I'm going to meet someone, then you know, this is going to be the way to do it as opposed to, you know, being in the middle of nowhere. Makes sense for sure, man. As you're talking about, you know, lack of personal life and marriage, just two, three, four, five. Um, you instantly reminded me, um, we haven't gotten like, common man, this is eerie. Uh, remind me of season of life when I was working overseas and, uh, in, you know, fast forward, you know, seven, eight years after I came back from overseas, I still have friends in Iraq, Afghanistan. You know, this is defense contracting. Um, and, you know, in that environment, you're, you're on different rotations either thirty day, you know, ninety days on, thirty days off or, or two weeks on, you know, various types of schedules. But a lot of the people there, they had no lives, man. Um, you know, It was very heartbreaking because they were hardly ever home. And the time they did spend at home, it wasn't productive. It led to toxic environments. I'm reminded of two friends in general that, you know, instead of going home, they went to the Philippines, you know, and did things they shouldn't have done. And, and they have nothing to show for it financially. They had nothing to show for it because they blew all the money, you know, on women or, you know, stuff that they shouldn't be spending their money on. Right? Yeah. And it's heartbreaking, man. And I, as I look back, it's like, man, I spent so much money on stupid stuff. Um, not on women or anything, just stuff, you know. And, uh, you know, it's, it's, uh, it kind of, it's kind of sickening at times, but so. All right, so you moved back to New Zealand, right? You, you, you leave that chapter, you move into New Zealand, you start, this new chapter of your life. Walk us through next of what happens. You know you meet this, you know you this young lady, you marry her. Um, you have who is now your eight year old daughter or seven year old daughter. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so walk us through that season, you know, walk us through like, you know, what that life looked like for you and walk us through that moment where life took a turn and help us understand. Was it expected? Was it not expected? Um, give us some context as much as you can. Right. I know there's some things you can't share and I certainly respect that. But just walk us through that season man. Yeah. No, I mean, that was that was probably it started out great. Um, so yeah, came back, met my, my then partner, uh, and then, uh, we started investing in some property together and things were going pretty well. And then next thing you know, there's, um, a daughter on the way. Um, so that was, that was over the course of sort of, uh, a couple of years. And then, uh, daughter was on the way. Uh, we then, um, had her and then yeah, it got to about sort of seven or eight months. Yeah, seven or eight months into it. And I mean, for me, I was, I was of the mindset of like, I've, I've had a daughter, I've got a daughter. People have got to stay together for the, you know, for the sake of the kids. Um, but I mean, at the end of the day, it just, it got to the point where I just couldn't do it anymore. Uh, I'm like, well, either either I can, can stay here and, um, I can be in a place that I don't want to be, I can be in a mindset that I don't like. And, um, I can, you know, not, not live my best life, um, as probably the best way to put it or I can make the choice to go, right. This is the hardest decision I've made in my life. Um, you Yeah, I'm done. But in doing that was the case of I'm doing this because it's going to give my daughter the best opportunities so that I can be the best person I can be. Because in the current situation, I can't. Um, and that was the, that was the frame and that was the, you know, the, the thought process behind it. Um, so yeah, I mean, it, it definitely turned into a whole lot of, you know, why, why is this happened to me? This shouldn't happen to me. Um, you know, you're not, you're not supposed to have a kid. And then eight months, nine months later be going your separate ways. Yeah. Um, this, you know, this, this happens to other people. Um, and yeah. And so, um, I, I suppose that was, that was like the lead up moment to it, um, to, you know, in a brief sort of snapshot, but it was definitely the, the hardest thing I've ever had to do was to sort of walk away and know that you're not going to see your kid every day. Real quick, before we keep rolling, maybe life hit you hard. Business fell apart. Career isn't working out. Relationship ended. Health took a dive. And now you're standing in the rubble. Trying to figure out what the next move even looks like. Or maybe nothing blew up at all. On paper, you're winning. Sure, but on the inside, something's off. If you're not in crisis, you're at a crossroads. And the playbook that built the life you have is not the playbook that builds the one you want. Either way, you're stuck. Not broken. Stuck between who you were and who you're becoming. Most self-help just piles more weight on the load you're already carrying. I do not want to do that. I put together a free video series called the Grit Code Exposed. And I want to invite you to check it out. Seven short videos. That's it. The five laws that change everything for me. In every client, I coach the same five that every person who's ever come back from the fire has walked through where they had a name for it or not. No fluff, no ninety minute webinar, no bait, just the free video series. You can start it tonight. Grab it at grit. Code exposed dot com one more time. Grit code exposed dot com. It's free. You don't need any more hustle. You need the next version and this is how you find it. Check it out. See if it speaks to you. And if it does, I'll see you inside. All right, let's get back to the conversation. I can imagine, man. Uh, I can imagine. And as we walk more into your story, man, I'm really realizing how much more we have in common because, you know, I have a total of four kids, you know, three from my current wife. We'll be celebrating twenty six years in August. Uh, congratulations. Thank you. Appreciate it man. Um, and, uh, however, you know, former current wife, you know, I, I was married to, uh, a girl that I met in high school for a brief period. I say a brief period. I'm talking like two, three years and similar, similar situation. Right. You know, um, I my thought process was, is, you know, hey, you know, we're going to stay in this for, for, you know, the long run. Um, you know, because I came from a broken home. I came from a broken home. Uh, both of my parents married multiple times. And, um, and unfortunately, I'm, I'm with my mother. I seen it lead down to a very toxic path. Um, I seen her go through various types of abuses, physical, emotional, spiritually, every form of abuse. And I'm not going to get too graphic, but it's enough. And, uh, and so for me, from my perspective as a father, I didn't want that for my kids. Right? And so I can certainly appreciate where you're coming from because we have best intentions, right? We, we had the best intentions coming into this and in to give our kids the best life, the best start possible. And if what I'm hearing from you is very similar, right? You came into this relationship, you came in, you brought your daughter or helped bring your daughter into this wonderful life with the intentions of being the best father and giving her the best life possible and the best start possible. But because of, you know, between her, you know, you and your your now ex-wife. I just couldn't be possible. So help us understand. And again, just, you know, I certainly respect anything you can't provide. But what are some specifics that you said, Carl? I just I had to walk away because of, you know, this, right? I hear mindset, right. But is there any specifics that occur that like, I, I just couldn't do this anymore. Was it, um, you know, just walk us through some specifics. You don't mind? Yeah. I mean, I think for, for me, the biggest thing is, is there's. In, in a relationship, you know, you, I think need to be combined in terms of your, your values, how you treat each other. Uh, respect goes both ways. Um, and that you're there, that you're, that you're there to lift each other up and that over time, if your goals and ambitions. Thoughts aren't aligned. Then you you tend to to drift apart. Um, and that's more so I think the case for that was like, there was um, ambitions, thoughts, values, goals for me that went one way for, for her that went the other. And there was a, there was basically a line in the sand in the middle that went well, you know, how, how you want to live and how I want to live are two very different things. Um, two, very, two very different mindsets. And, you know, you can go in and knock your head against the wall, uh, metaphorically every day trying to change the other person. But, and, and, you know, um, actual fact, the only person that you can change is you. And that whether they're going to come along for the journey or not is, is up to them. Well said so. Well said I, I agree wholeheartedly and I hope everybody's listening really leaning into this conversation because I think you just paraphrased or summed up a great answer to a lot of people's questions that are probably have right now is how do I change the other person? Right. Because so many people get into relationships, I've done it right, you know, and I'm sure it's been done to me, maybe even my current wife, you know, she probably was hoping she could fix me up, bless her heart. But that's a very good point, man. We get these relationships, whether it's, you know, uh, you know, an intimate relationship with a, you know, a partner, life partner or business partner or anything, thinking we could fix the other person. Yes, but we can't, we can't. That's that, that's the, that's the journey that they're on. And, uh, something that, yeah, the only, the only person that you can change is you. And the only thing you can control controllers as you. It took a. It took a long while to realize that. Um, but, um, that's the, it tends to be like with the, the standards and, and things that as you lift your standards and, and what you expect from life that the people around you are either going to rise to those standards and, and meet with you or they're going to be disgruntled by you. Um, you know, because they don't live to the same standards. And, and that's fine. Um, but I think that's the, that's the part where it is, you've just got to keep improving. You and the people that aren't supposed to be there, you know, fall by the wayside. Agree. In fact, I just had this conversation with my youngest daughter, Avery. Um, talking about just be our true, authentic selves, right? Um, not try to wear a mask for other people to attract the people that we think we want, right? But instead, we need to just be our true, authentic selves, remove the mask and set the standards of how we want to live and need to live based on our goals, dreams, hopes, and aspirations so that we naturally attract the right people. Is that what I'm hearing from you is that's pretty much what you your your motto essentially. Right? And one hundred percent, yeah, the only person that you can change is you. And as long as you're being you, you're going to attract the right people into your life. Um, and sometimes people are there for a reason. Sometimes they're there for a season. Uh, and then you get other people that, that hang around for, for a long, long time. I love that man. I love that that might be the, uh, the, the thumbnail, uh, or the, the episode title, right? Some people are there for reasons, some are only for there for a season. And that's so true. Yeah, that's so true, man. Because I, I know personally, um, you know, I look back on the people that I've had in my life, you know, and, uh, a lot of them there were just there for a season, right? Yeah. Um, and, uh, we often get tripped up on the fact that people leave our lives, but it's for a reason, right? Yeah. Um, and it's not always for our benefit. It's sometimes, you know, it's more for their benefit than ours, you know? Yeah. One hundred percent. But, you know, in looking back, man, you said on your profile here and I, I get it man outside looking in, it's, you know, I'm sure every parents listening right now, it's like, you know, hurting for you because that was the pivotal moment for you, right? That was what shaped you the most was the decision to walk away from that relationship when your daughter was only eight months old, you know, and that takes a lot of courage to do that. Um, because a lot of people would just look at that and be like, man, I'm just going to stay, you know, stay with it for the relationship, stay with it for the child and, and so forth. And I've heard this, you know, and, uh, and there's been some rough periods and my wife and I have a relationship and, and, uh, but, you know, fortunately we worked them out, but where does that person draw the line in their own relationship to say, this isn't working anymore? Right. Like maybe there's this person right now that's listening to you, whether it's a business partnership, it's a, it's an intimate relationship, you know, with a partner, a life partner, whatever. Like, where do they draw this line? Because I'm sure somebody's listening to you right now. It's thinking the same thing. It's going the same thing through the same thing you went through, but they don't know when to pull the parachute and say, enough's enough. I. I think the thing with that one is, is, is that it comes down to like things like you don't want to go home, you'd much rather be at work than, And then going home and or you, you, you get nervous every time you drive down the road and think, oh, what am I going to walk into today? What's what's this? What's this going to be like? Um, you know, you, you'd rather go to the pub and have a few beers than, than go and see, you know, than go and see your family. Um, in terms of like calling it and, and as I say, I can only talk from, from my own perspective was, was the case of, you know, how how's my life going to look? And, and I did the same thing as what I did when I was in the mines. If I carry on down the path that I'm on now, what's what's my life going to look like in ten years time? Is my life going to be better, the same or worse? Uh, and if it's the same or worse, then I, then I even then something needs to change. I mean, you might be, you might be happy with, with feeling like that. I don't know, I sure as heck wasn't. Yeah. Um, but it's, it's that thing of, of like, is my life going to be better in ten years? Can I provide a better life for my family? Um, and then, you know, what are the sure there's going to be a whole lot of judgment from other people around, you know, why you've done it. And I mean, like, especially me, she was daughter was like eight or nine months old, like eight months old. Um, and it's like, how, how can you, how can you leave a mother or how can you, you leave someone with an eight month old daughter. Um, now that, and that was the other thing that I had to work through as well. Yeah, I can imagine. And so that, you know, it's really about weighing those, those things up to go well, you know, for the long term benefit, what am I doing here? Uh, is this something that I want to stay in or is it something that I need to to move away from? Mhm. That's so good. And that's the other part of the equation too, is the judgment aspect, right? From friends, from family In and so forth, because they're definitely going to have their opinions. Right. Um, and, uh, that's so good, man. That's so good. Well, most of the time they don't understand it because they haven't been through it. And so they, they can't, they can't fathom the fact of, of, you know, moving of leaving. They can't fathom fact of like in, um, most of my friends at the time, none of them had had separated. Um, they'd all been together. Some of the opinions from my family are like, well, just stick with it because that's what you should do. Um, you know, and that's the, because they haven't been through it, they, they don't understand. I've got a friend that's going through something very, very similar to me at the moment. Um, and it's, I'm the, I'm the person he talks to because I'm the only one that's been through it and understands, you know, where he is, where he's at. Um, because unless you walk the path, it's tough to, it's tough to find people that will talk about it. Um, but it's also, you know, tough to find people that have, that have also been there as well. That's true. That is so true, man. And that's likely. You know, one of the biggest contributing factors of you going through this fire or, you know, this season that you had to go through so that you can help your friend that's going through it right now, right? Yeah. Um, I say this quite a bit. You know, we, we all go through these different fires and seasons and so forth, not really for our benefits for people that is going to come through it later on. Right. That we can, you know, coach through, you know, help through, talk through and be that for that person that we wish we had in our corner. Right. Um, because we know how it sucks not having people that's been through it, that gets it, that understands it and all of that good stuff, man. So. Well, man. So you walk away, right? And knowing that you're not going to see your daughter every day. And as a father, I can. Man, that's it's heart wrenching. Um, so what did what did it do to you? To, you know, you walk us through in that stretch after the fact, you know, what was your daily life look like, man? I mean, you know, yeah. Just walk us through that season, man. Yeah. So I mean, the, the thing with my daughter is, is that I've, you know, up and up until probably year three, uh, I sort of had her between fifty and, and sixty five, seventy percent of the time. Um, so there was, there was times we had more times we were back to fifty over fifty. So, um, that was, you know, the, that, that part of it wasn't so bad. It was, it was more so once the, the, the court side of things kicked off for the, the custody. And then you start getting, you know, letters from lawyers that are accusing you of stuff that you haven't done. Um, And and you're like, right, surely. You know, and, and people say, oh, you know, it's just such a waste of time. Why would you bother? Surely you can just sit down and work this out. Now that's, that's probably a valid point for, for some people. Uh, and in some situations, you've just got no option. Um, you know, you, you can't just sit down and come to a, you know, an agreement and some circumstances. So, um, I mean, that was the, that was the tough man of like, there was a three and a half years of, of going through that, uh, of, you know, court hearings, uh, of judges making decisions that you stand there and scratch your head about, um, of, you know, as I say, lawyers firing back and forward emails that you just go that that didn't happen. And that's not the type of person that I am. But you're obviously, you know, and, and now I look back at it and go, look, it's just, it's just them doing their job, right? They're paid. They're paid to throw mud. They're paid to make you look like whatever they want to make you look like. If I can turn you in, if I can turn you into this character, then this is how it's going to play out, you know, in the, um, in the courtroom. And if I can, you know, manipulate you to do this, then then this is how it's, you know, this is how it's going to be. So, um, I mean, that, that was, and I suppose being a guy is, is like, and for me anyway is like, I'm, I'm like solutions focused. My, my wife comes to me with a problem. I'm like, right, cool. This is how we fix it. Um, and we just need to go and do this, this, this and this, and it's fixed. And, and that was, that was the approach that I took at the start was like, right, cool. Let's just, you know, we've separated, um, let's just get this done so that you can move on with your life. I can move on with mine. Uh, and I mean, the, the emotional intelligence of that point from my side wasn't, wasn't great. Uh, you know, there was, it was just like more solution focused, right? We've separated. Let's just get this over and done with and sorted as opposed to just, you know, taking things a little bit slower. Nothing I've now learned. Nothing happens quickly. Um, especially with court system. Yeah. Especially with that. Um, and so I should have called the brakes a little bit more at the start to get it wrapped up, but I didn't. And you know, the outcomes, the outcome. Um, but I think that that's been the, the lesson for, for business and for life is like we got down the road of, um, like you can't parent the other parent, you, you can't speed the system up. You can't, you can slow the system down, but you can't speed it up. Um, and if you and the outcomes not yours to make, like the decisions aren't yours to make when you're in a situation, you know, like this. Uh, and so it really comes down to a thing of like, what can we control? What can't we? Um, and then let's, let's control what we can control, and then let the court system do its thing on the on the side. Um, and so I mean, like at the moment, there's some other stuff that we're wrapping up, but it's taken over twelve, fourteen months just to get a judgment, uh, on, on some stuff, which is, which is mad, but it's, you know, three, four years ago that would have been playing on my mind every day. It's like, when's this coming? When's this coming? When's this coming? Whereas now it's like, well, the decision is going to be made. When the decision gets made, I can, I can focus on that, waste my time, spin my wheels, not progress in life, or I can go write the thing. The thing I can do some stuff about is, is spend more time with my family. Because if I'm worried about the courts, I'm not, you know, spending my time where I currently am. Uh that's true. You know, I'm not I'm not spending my time on my business, not making my life better for my family, because that was the reason I left, right, is how do I make a better life for me and my family? And if I'm still living back in what happened in in twenty The twenty nineteen early twenty nineteen, and we're now in twenty twenty six. Yeah. Have I got myself further ahead? And if you're still fighting for back here, then the chances are no. Yeah. That's that's so good. It's pretty much it pretty much. No. You know, voids the whole point of you leaving in the first place. Right. Like it's I'm trying to think of the term here, but it's pretty much. Yeah. You know, zero not the whole point of why you left and, you know, in the first place. Right. Take, you know, take it in vain, essentially. Right. Um, you know, that was a whole reason why you want to leave so you could create a better life for you and as well as for your daughter, because, you know, being in that environment was going to, it was not going to posture you for the best version of yourself that you could possibly be. So you had to make a decision to separate so you could be the best for yourself, not necessarily just for you. Right. But for her and everybody around you. So, you know, if I'm hearing correctly and I love what you just said here because I say this quite a bit, you know, focus on the controllables, right? Even my own coach tells me this, Carl, focus on the controllables. You know, because it we as humans, we get sometimes we get so wrapped up in the things that we can't control. Right? Um, we're, you know, whatever the outcomes are, whatever life events occur, you know, we get so wrapped up in that man. So I'm so glad you said that. Um, for me, I especially in the season I'm in, man, I love to hear your thoughts on this. Um. I have gotten into the habit of always asking myself what, what was God trying to teach me in that season? Or what were the lessons I could take away from that? Like, what did I learn from this? So for you, looking back in all of that, what were some of the things that you took away from that season? Or what were some things that you felt you were trying to be, lessons that you were trying to be told, or things you took away from that in that season? Yeah, I mean, there's probably a couple of things from from like a personal perspective, it's taught me to be a whole lot more emotional, I think has really been the, the thing. Um, up and up until that point was like, I had no way through this other than, than like the thought of the thought of shedding a tear was like, well, no one does that. You don't, you're a guy. You just, you carry on. Um, and so that was, that was like a, something that they just wouldn't do. You just, you know, carry on, suck it up. But there was a whole lot of at that, you know, with that happening, there was a whole lot of anger, resentment that also gets built up at the same time, you've got to find some way to, um, to, to let that go. Um, so I suppose the the blessing from this is that, uh, you know, it's taught me to be, you know, a lot more emotionally aware, uh, but also to just being more, more emotional personally and, and understanding what, you know, what feelings actually are as opposed to, you know, a blank face. We just march on. Today's not good. Today's not bad. Today just is. Um, and, but I also think from, uh, from a business perspective, it's, it's also been, uh, quite helpful. Well, yeah, I mean, when the longer you're in business, someone's going to threaten you with a lawyer's letter or something at some point. And, and so I've had that many lawyers letters over the last seven years that have. Now, if someone says to me, you'll get a letter from my lawyer, I'm like, okay, if that's if you think that's going to solve this problem and your lawyer wants to send me a letter and you want to spend one thousand dollars on that? Like, let them send me. Do what you gotta do. Do what you got to do, man. Because I know how these things work. Um. I've been I've been through it. Uh, and your lawyer accusing me of something that we, that we haven't done, then, you know, just let's just get it on over and done with it if that's how you want to go. Um, so I suppose that's, that's been the other, the other part of it, because when you get the first one, you, it, you know, puts the fear of God into you. And then the, as you, as you go through time, you become more and more used to. Yeah. You become more callous to it. Um, and so, I mean, it's not, it's not something that, that I ever enjoy hearing from. It's only happened a couple of times. Uh, and then of course, nothing's come off the, the back end of it. Um, but it's still that thing, right? Of like, okay, I've been, I've heard this so many times that we'll, we'll walk the line and see how we go and, and go from there real quick before you go. If you're still with me this deep into the episode, something in it hits you. Maybe it was the guest, maybe it was one line. Either way, you're still here. And that feeling in your chest right now, that's the signal. Most people get a signal like that and do absolutely nothing with it. They close the app. Life rushes back in the moments gone. Six months later, there are the exact same spot. I don't want that for you. So I put something together. I want to invite you to check out a free video series called The Grit Code Exposed. Seven short videos, the five laws. I walk every client through, the same ones that rebuilt me when everything else fell apart. And if you listen closely today, you heard them running underneath the entire conversation because everyone who's come back from the fire walks through these five laws. Some find them on their own. Some get help, but the laws don't change. Free video series. You can start it tonight. No fluff. No ninety minute webinar. Just the series. If you're going to do something with what you heard today, do this before life talks you out of it. Go to grit Code exposed dot com one more time. Grit Code exposed dot com. And hey, before I let you go, thank you for riding with me this long. It means a lot more than you know. Thank you. That's so good. I agree, man, and that's I know I can relate a lot what you're saying in the sense of, you know, emotional availability, uh, for the longest part of my life. And it's and I don't fault my dad for this. Um, um, it was just the way he was raised too. Right. Um, but for me, I, I didn't have a whole lot of emotional availability. Um, looking back, um, especially, you know, with my kids, I always kept myself very reserved, protected. Um, you know, and I also too found myself taking myself way too seriously, you know, and I experienced enough joy. Um, and, um, so yeah, I completely resonate still to this very day, man, I still try to find myself or I still find myself being a little bit too serious to taking myself too seriously. It's like, dude, come on, we're, we're not getting out of, we're not getting a life, you know, alive. Right? So yeah, just make the best of this, you know, one hundred percent. Um, you said the one thing, you know, on your profile here, the intake that, uh, the one thing you give your, that you give credit for your success is almost stupidly simple. I love, how you said this. When things get hard, you do not try to do everything. And I think this is so good because oftentimes, especially myself included, I find myself ruminating in that trap sometimes. So you just take one step, walk us through this, this process that you give yourself, you give your success credit for. Yeah. I think it comes down to, um, like the, the, the court side of things is sort of drummed this home and it's Tony Robbins, uh, talks about it too. I'm pretty sure it's Tony Robbins. I'll give him credit for it anyway that when you that when you hit that wall of fear, you just need to take one more step. Um, and that as you take that step, you're, you know, everything expands or your, your level of fear, your level of confidence, uh, expands with the, the further that you, that you push your boundaries in terms of your comfort zone. Uh, and I think that's the that's the part where it is like when you get yourself into a situation, it's like, what's the what's the thing that I can do? And, and I've learned over time that it really comes down to getting things simplified. Um, one of the things that we did when we started business was I just went way too wide, way too quick. You know, we started one, we started our company, got ourselves up and running. Someone offered me an opportunity to do some property management, so I yep, cool. We can do that. Then someone else, the same guy that said, can you do some property management for me? Said, can you do some project management for me as well? Um, and we just and we, yep, yep, yep. Went home and told my wife and she's like the organizer. Uh, she's the one that, that, you know, catches my, my chaos a little bit in terms of let's go and do this and let's go and do that. But it's the, it's, it's the part that I've realized now that my, my actions as, as the head of the company have a flow on effect to everyone else, the decisions I make make sense to me from a business perspective, but I haven't always thought through the process for what's what's the downstream effect on family, rest of the team if I make this decision. Um, and so that's yeah, so that's where it's come from is like, you know, we, there was a meeting I was in yesterday where off the back of it, I was like, yep, cool. We can go and do this. We can go and do this. And I had one of my team members on the call and I was like, no, you've got to think about bring her into the fold because she's the one that's most affected by this whole thing. So I was like, right, cool, man. What we'll do is we'll catch up, we'll have a discussion and we'll get back to you Monday, Tuesday next week on, on next steps. Or, you know, if we're going to do anything at all. Uh, and then to have the meeting with her to be like, right. And I said to her, I was like, what, you know, what, what would it be like to, to working with two of me? And she's like, well, I've got you down pat now. I know how you work. Uh, and I think if I can get you sorted, I can get him sorted as well. Um, and we'll set up the system in the process and we'll, we'll go from there. So rather than taking a million steps and being, and trying to get more when things get hard, because it's an easy distraction to just bring things back to simple, easy. Who's it going to affect? Uh, are those people on board? If they are, cool, if they're not either, how do we come up with a solution for that? Or, um, you know, or we just walk away because it's not going to work for, for what everyone wants. Makes sense, man. Makes sense as, as you're talking, man, something just popped in my mind and it's just going to be a little off beat. But I think people are going to want to hear this, especially in the season that you're dealing with. And I'm only asking because I, I personally have dealt with this and in talking with people this recently in some masterminds and some programs that I lead, there's another, there's another under. There's a costume that is worn by fear. Right. When I when when I'm seeing by this is there's this voice. It's in your mind that's trying to remind you of things of the past, right? Um, you know, either failed relationships or failed, you know, whatever the mistakes you've made or, you know, all the things, you know, for example, you know, the relationship that you had to, to leave and, you know, you leaving your daughter, right? And I say, leaving your daughter, you know, you're still present with her. You're still trying. So I'm not saying, you know, trying to paint a picture like you just turn your back on her. But there, there is, there is these voices in people's minds that reminds us of things of our past. So I would love to hear your perspective. How do you overcome those voices that spring up. Sometimes it may not even be that situation, but how do you battle the voices in your mind that tries to remind you of things in your past when you're trying to progress? How do you battle that? It's still like in every, well, not in everyday battle, but it's still it's still the imposter syndrome. Still still happens is like, you know, is how how have I got here? Should I be here? Uh, you know, and, and I was talking to someone the other day about this, and they gave me some what I thought was some really sage advice, uh, was that the, the person I was talking to was like an energy healer. And, and her take on it was, was like, uh, I've been doing this for twenty years. People that, uh, that come to me, you know, they might think that I should be enlightened by the fact that I've been doing this for twenty years. But whether I am or I'm not doesn't matter to them because I get them the results. Mhm. And I think that's the that's the part where when that imposter syndrome side of things kicks in is like, well, you know, you, I, I think for like entrepreneurial type people is they, they never, they never are where they think they should be. You always think you should be, you always think you should be ten steps further ahead than, than where you are and that you're running out of time. Um, and that, that you're not as good as, as what other people, you know, think you should be either, which, you know, like we have guys that we work with that are miles ahead of where I am. They've got way more money than I do. They've got way more property than we do, but they keep coming back to us for advice because we've pushed them along the journey. And I think that's the you know, there's there's that saying that people that can't do teach. Um, but I, I don't, I don't fully agree with that because I, you know, if you, if you haven't done it, how can you teach it? Um, there's like, if you look at the, at the football, not every football coach has won a premiership. Uh, not every basketball coach has, has won a premiership either. So there's some people that have some, some tactical insights that can, you know, help other people further down the road without necessarily being the, the best player on the team. That's that's that's good man. I, I agree and I love how you how you said imposter syndrome. That's exactly the, the, the costume that I was referring to that fear, one of the fears that typically is, is worn, you know, because, um, we oftentimes say just that I, I call that the stopwatch face, right? It's the stopwatch face is always. That little voice is trying to tell you. You should be further along. You should be. You know, it's trying to compare your story versus somebody else's or your timeline versus somebody else's timeline, uh, or just constantly trying to tell you're falling behind. You're not where you should be. Um, thank, thank you for, for saying that because we need to be reminded of this, right? We need to be reminded that there is no timeline or a deadline. The, you know, the only person that set that deadline is ourselves. Yeah, right. I mean, it as we talked about it, it's like we can sit here and laugh about it, but it's like that. Seriously. I mean, we're the only ones that set that deadline. So why are we such in a rush? Yeah. Right. Well, I think a big part of it and is and it's become I become more and more aware of it is like I don't think it happened back in like my parents generation because people were in their communities, their friends had what their friends had, they had what they had, they had their house, they were where they rented, and they were happy doing what they did. I think part of the problem now is, is your phone and that you can pick up Instagram and that you see these twenty three year old kids that or these nineteen year old kids that say they make ten million bucks a month and they've got a plane and a Ferrari and everything else. And you're like, man, I'm forty and I haven't got a jet in three Ferraris. What the what the heck? I agree. So well said. But the previous generation never had that. They were. I think they were more happy and content because because they had no they had no, if they were middle class people that, that had um, that had somewhere to live, they had a car, they went to work, they had a friend circle, they had a few drinks on a Friday or Saturday night. Um, and then they went back to work Monday. And all the people that they worked with were similar to them, but that's all they knew. That was the circle. And sure, you picked the newspaper up and you'd read the newspaper that so and so has just made a million dollars. And you go, oh, okay. Well, he's, he's the, um, he's the outlier here, not the, you know, not the everyday person. Whereas you pick the phone up and, and everyone, apparently everyone makes ten million dollars a month other than you. And so you need to, you need to get your act together and you should have done it twenty years ago. Yep. I agree. And by the way, for, you know, for context, majority of those people that say they make that much money, it's all rented. The Lambos, the Jets, they're all rented. Guys don't buy into that story. But I agree man, wholeheartedly. I agree. And I think because of the rapid evolvement of of social media. It's only made made it worse is only made it worse. I agree wholeheartedly man. Love this man dude. Fast forward to today, right? You know you've built an amazing business you know team from from two individuals up to thirteen. Uh, you know, in the last twenty four months helped over one hundred clients. Um, you're running it remotely. So, you know, for you, I'd love to hear what are you most fired up about today that the world has not yet seen either from you and or your business? What are you most fired up about? For me, the biggest thing is getting clients great results. Now, that may sound extremely cliche. Um, but that, that, that for us is exactly, you know, what it is. I think especially in the real estate game, there's too many people out there that make money off selling your stuff. They don't actually get people results. Great salesman crap outcomes. Sorry, that's real estate. Move on. Um, yeah. And it's, it's been the probably we had a client say to us that, you know, you've got um. What's that's trying to think of the, uh. The right way to put this without using the expletive that he used. Oh, dude, go for it. Okay. Yeah. Okay. That's cool. Um, yeah. So, so I had a client that said to us, hey, look, you know, you've, you've got a hell of a lot of courage to be able to, um, start, start your buying side of things, project manager property, then property, manage it on the back end. Because if you get something wrong at the front, you can't just wipe your hands clean and go, oh, sorry, not my problem. That's the project manager's issue. That's the that's the property managers issue going go and talk to them. Um, and so that for us is really the, the, key piece is getting those client results. And as Zig Ziglar says, when you help enough people get what they want, you'll have everything that, uh, that you want. And that's really the, the key thing for us. Mhm. I love that philosophy. I love what you just said there. If you help enough people get what they want, you'll get what you want. I've heard that from Tony Robbins. I've heard that from various people as well. It's just such a good philosophy to live by man because, um, and I have to remind myself of this too, because sometimes and we're human beings, right? We're selfish. Right. And, and, and there's no judgment at all. We're not saying this in a judgmental way, but that is so true. Uh, life is, you know, much bigger than us. We're not meant to serve ourselves. We're meant to serve other people. And the more we focus on other people, our, you know, our needs. And I say needs. I'm saying, you know, I'm not talking about, you know, food and housing. I'm talking about what we truly need and want and so forth. Uh, we'll be taken care of, but it's also about providing that value to people, right? Serving them and, and giving them the best value possible to make their lives better, whatever those things are right for you. It's real estate and maximizing their investments. For me, it's impacting people and, and changing lives and helping them in that capacity. And there's people that, uh, you know, there's so many different things we can serve people with, right? So, um, that's a good philosophy. I love it, man. Dude, this has been a great conversation, man. Um, as we start to, to wrap this up, I love to give everybody sixty to 90s to talk to the previous cells, to previous versions, knowing what you know. Now, what would you tell yourself to coach yourself through the season that you had to walk through to get where you are? I think for that to to go back to what we were talking about earlier and, and that thing of, you know, what can I control? What can't I control is really the, the key, the key part for that. And most of the time things never happen as quickly as what you. It's the, the other saying to, to pull out all the one liners today. Uh, it's like we, we overestimate what we can achieve in a year, but we underestimate what we can achieve in ten. And I think that's the same thing, like with the court system side of things is like, I'll have this wrapped up. I've been saying every year for the last seven years, I'd be done by the end of this year, it'll be done by the end of this year. It'll be done by the end of this year. Uh, well, I'll be right. Eventually. Uh, maybe it'll be done by the end of this year, I don't know. Yeah. Um, but that's the, that's the course that it's that it's going down. And so it's a case of like, what can we control? What can't we control? Um, but also to just to one. I think the other the other part that I would have also if I could talk to myself again is like one, one path until successful. Um, and especially with that entrepreneurial mind is like you, there's, there's the shiny object syndrome, uh, that we've, that we've got. And it's been the part that I've had to remind myself, especially with my team at the moment is like the other, the other day I had an idea and went off down a bit of a rabbit hole and I sat down at the end and went, if I send this to the team member, I've asked her to do one thing two weeks ago, and we were going down that and that was going okay. Then I've just had this rush of blood to the head, and then I've come up with this idea and. And if I send this to her, then she's going to go, man, what are we doing? Like, and, and create more chaos in her life because of my actions and the downstream stuff. So, um, it's like one path until successful. Uh, nail that and then move on to the next thing. Um, and especially from, from like a business side of things that, and it was the issue that I had, and I was lucky that I had one business that was really strong. Um, because when you start other things before you're extremely successful at one, you have one business that makes all the money, one that breaks even and does okay. And then the other one that runs at a loss. Um, and, but you think my thinking was, was like, if I have three that do three hundred and thirty grand each, then there's my million bucks and I'm sorted. But I didn't quite think that I needed three operators. And, uh, and growing is really expensive when, when you're that thin. Yep. One hundred percent, man. One hundred percent. Well, you look back on all the millionaires. They became millionaires because of that one thing. Yeah, right. They, they became millionaires because like you said, in your words, they were they were laser focused and they focused on the one thing. And then, of course, their wealth expanded because they they leveraged, you know, their wealth to create more wealth. Right. But they were still laser focused on the one thing that's so good, man, so good. All right, man, as we wrap up, we've got some rapid fire questions for you, my dude, some of which I've already prepared you for in the green room. Um, in the season that you're in, man, um, you know, still struggling with the court battles and building your businesses or business and doing the things that you're doing. What is your definition of grit? What does that mean to you right now? Great. To me right now is, is having options to spend time with, with family, um, that, you know, earlier, earlier on it was about money, cars. How can I, you know, I think like every twenty year old's dream. Um, and then now that where we are in life now, it's like I've got an eight month old who've been nine months old and a couple of weeks. Uh, and that, you know, and then there's my eight year old daughter. It's like, well, how do I make sure that I'm at all her school events? Um, how do I make sure that I'm spending time with the little fella? How do I make sure I'm spending time with my wife? Um, how am I spending time with the people that I care about? So that that for me is, is more so the measure than bank. Bank balance helps. Don't don't give me don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that that's not important. But but focus because it just makes life easier. Um, but for me right now is, is time with family, um, time with the people that you care about. Love it. Man. That's so good. So good. All right, man, my last two questions for the, for this episode. And the last one's a two part question. When the lights are out for you, man, and you're in the trenches when you're thick of it, man, you probably got some voices going on in your head. It's trying to pull you in a dark place. What is a quote or directive or even scripture that you tell yourself to pull you out of those moments? I think there's there's probably a couple of things that that go to that is, is like we talked about earlier, is there just taking the extra step? Um, is like, what's the, what's the one thing I can do tomorrow to get myself a little bit further ahead of this, of this problem? Um, and it doesn't need to be a huge thing. It might be like, I just need to write this one email to this one person to get this progressed slightly further forward. So I'm, so I'm making some progress. Um, and, and I think the, the other part of it is, is about the, the exercise side of things. Like I find if I'm, if I'm not exercising, which I haven't been for the last couple of weeks, but if I'm not in the gym, if I'm not out running, if I'm not doing something, then those dark, those harder thoughts become more prevalent as opposed to, you know, being out there and, and burning off some steam so that you can tame your mind and and carry on. Ooh. Exhaust the body that came to mind. Yeah. I have a feeling you and I follow a lot of the same people. Very likely, very likely. Man, you're saying a lot of the same stuff that I. That I hear quite a bit in. Did I repeat to, you know, to my ecosystem. So. Yeah. Definitely. Sounds like you and I are plugged in to the right environments. So that's awesome man. That's awesome. All right. Let's last question comes in two parts. However, because I tend to forget to ask the second part. I'm going to ask the first part first. So or the second part first. And so guys, for those who are listening, watching for the first time, I love the offer, the opportunity for my guests to challenge my next guest with a question of their own. And guys, the lineup is completely anonymous. I didn't tell him who the guest lineup is, and so far the question is laying perfectly. So no pressure. But what would you love to challenge my next guest with? If you could go back ten years from where you are today, what would be the structural thing that you would change? No, that's not the that's not fitting, right? I know what I want to ask, I'm just not quite sure how to. Are these are the guys that you have on. Are they business guys or are they. Um, some of are entrepreneur some of her, uh, most of them are entrepreneurs. Some are, most of them are business owners, entrepreneurs, Founders. Yeah. Um. Yeah. Okay. That's okay. Yeah. If you could go. I'll start again. If you could go back and start your business again. What are the two things that you would set up differently, uh, today than what you did when you started? Mhm. I like that. I like that. All right. Cool, man. Cool. Well, I can't tell who it is, so you have to plug in to the podcast to see how your question gets answered. But it definitely does fit for the next guest. So awesome man. Well, cool. So bonus out of I forget where he's at actually, but he's closer. He's closer to your neck of woods than mine. Um, so he's in the UK somewhere. I forget exactly where he's at, but he has this question for you. What type of experiment have you run that has failed but left a very big mark on you? And by experiment, he's talking about taking risks. What risks did you take? He likes to associate taking risks with experiments. And I love that. I love that perspective. Yeah. The the biggest experiment would have been when I was nineteen and bought. This is something we didn't talk about earlier about bought a bought a farm when I was when I was nineteen. Um, back in two thousand and six. Yeah. Two thousand and six, two thousand and seven. Um, with um, so just right before the GFC, uh, earning very little money, uh, huge mortgage at the time that the banks would give you a mortgage if you could fog a mirror. And so, uh, from that didn't have any business experience, made some, some poor business decisions, uh, which then led down the path of going to Australia, having to drive the road trains, uh, having to work in mining, coming back in my, my late twenties, basically breaking even from all my income from there, going back into to a farmer. I never saw the, the other side of or the money back out of. Um, and so that's probably been the biggest experiment that's, uh, that's gone wrong. That's had the biggest impact on my life. But on the same side of that, it's also taught me the resilience, the grit, uh, the, um, you know, and, and I suppose it's not a case of what would I, what would I change from a regret perspective? Uh, I definitely would do some things differently now in hindsight, but you don't have hindsight without the experience. That's exactly right, my friend. That's exactly right. I'm so glad you said that. Um, I agree wholeheartedly. Man, I wish I had known that man because we could have dived a lot deeper. But we only have an hour, so there's only so much. You know, we could talk about an hour. Who knows? It might be a part two of this conversation, but that's so good though. I appreciate you sharing that. And it really also gives you it gives everybody a listen to watch you right now, a little bit more insight into your journey. And because you are in this business that you're building in this chapter of life that you're building your business in right now, you didn't let your past business failures prevent you from starting this, right, this new experiment, as business called it. Right. And so far, it's been paying out so well for you, not because it's been easy, it's because you've been taking lessons learned and all those, you know, things you've learned in the past and forged it into in this season that you're in now, which is to your point, no regrets, right? Um, yeah. So love it man. Well, Hadley, my dude, thank you so much. Coming in here and not just to talk about, you know, your business and what you do for your, your, your clients and helping them with their financial investments, with properties and so forth. But you allowed us to peek into the journey of the man that sits behind the business, the compass that I say, um, because too often, as we talked about is we see the highlight reels, we see all the amazing stuff on social media, but we forget about the fires that people have to walk through to attain the real highlight reels, not the rented stuff. Right? So again, my dude, thank you for stepping in here and I appreciate you sharing this last hour with us, man. Awesome. Thanks so much. Been great to be here. And, uh, yeah, really enjoyed the conversation. Same here man. Same here. All right. For those that are listening and watching, please just take one thing he said and implement it in your life in the next twenty four hours. All right. The gap between average and excellence is just action again. Don't just listen to Headley. Take something he's talked about and he's talked about quite a bit. So you definitely have a quite a bit to draw from and put in your life. Implement it. Be the reason somebody doesn't quit today. Don't just keep this episode to yourself. Someone in your circle needs it. Send it to them. Headley, before I let you go, my man, for the person that is listening to you and wants to connect with you, maybe learn more about your investment strategies and how you serve clients. Or are they just want to support you? Where can they connect with you? Best place is Instagram at Headley Nightingale. And yeah, shoot me a DM. They're happy to have a conversation and see where we can help out. Awesome, man. Haley. Dude, thank you so much for stepping in, man. I appreciate you, man. Appreciate it. Thanks.